Below is a response I received from someone, (I will call Joe) when I asked if they were pro-life. This was a private message because he was not comfortable discussing abortion, (no doubt a hot topic for some) on his Facebook page. But he gave me permission to use it on my blog.
So in reference towards Pro Life or Pro Choice, I really do not speak to either issue because I feel as if I have no power whether the law on this will change… I do feel abortion is morally wrong, but I would never condemn anyone on their life choices…nor do I believe I should be the judge of anyone…It is such a sensitive issue and there are so many arguments around pro life and pro choice I just don’t see any benefit in discussing the subject. I used to be a strong advocate for pro life and would cry for endless hours for these babies, but in growing and learning, I have discovered even more horrors man has committed…man will do as they please, laws or not…I guess I try to see the issue as realistic as I can.
When we are able to sit down and communicate our beliefs and views on various topics, and in turn hear opposing views, we can only benefit from the exchange. I have opinions on gun control laws, homosexuality, death penalty, evolution, young earth, old earth, welfare, miracles, and abortion that have changed over the years. Some of those changes came about from discussions with others whose opinions differed from mine. Other changes came from my own investigative or skeptical mind that led to some research on my part to come to a decision, or at least tip the scale on one side of an issue or the other.
So in reference towards Pro Life or Pro Choice, I really do not speak to either issue because I feel as if I have no power whether the law on this will change…
I can understand your feeling that way. Many times over the years I have felt I was wasting my time punching the hole in the ballet box for one candidate or another; candidates who will hopefully share at least some of my views. Although in recent years, my choices for representatives were more akin to asking me if I would rather be eaten by a pack of wild dogs, or torn apart by a hungry lion.
I would encourage everyone to stay involved in the political system and speak out on the issues they feel strongly about. For some it may be the 2nd amendment, others may champion gay rights. Most of us may have an issue that is on the forefront of our minds. I am not talking about parroting the views on CNN or Fox to our friends, family, or co-workers, but really understanding and articulating to others their reasons for their beliefs.
Changes in our laws come from the market place of ideas. Ideas rule the day, not kings, queens, princes, presidents, or dictators. We all have the power to change laws, trends, or even views of people who are willing to listen to a thoughtful argument or well reasoned conclusion.
I do feel abortion is morally wrong, but I would never condemn anyone on their life choices…nor do I believe I should be the judge of anyone…
I too feel abortion is morally wrong, and like you Joe, I would never point the finger at anyone who made this morally wrong choice, but that does not mean we should ignore what took place, and is taking place, every day: approximately 3,300 abortions every day in the United States.1 Nor does it mean I will not tell them if asked, what I think of their conclusion. We all can expect consequences for our moral, (right or wrong), decisions. We have all made morally wrong choices such as lying, cheating, stealing, but does that mean someone should not point out how wrong our decisions are when we make those choices? If someone steals, and no one ever points out it is morally wrong to take something that does not belong to them, how can they ever correct their immoral behavior?
You say that you don’t believe you should be the judge of anyone, but you have by that very statement. How can you say you feel abortion is morally wrong, but not be the judge of anyone? You have already judged it is morally wrong. Many states have mandatory reporting laws for anyone who is a witness to a crime. Teachers are keenly aware of this responsibility as they are mandatory reporters when they suspect child abuse. But not just teachers, anyone who observes a crime against children has a duty to report it and if they don’t they can be prosecuted and held civilly liable.2
If you observed your neighbor, through a broken board in a fence, abusing his wife by tying her to a tree and beating her, would you feel you should not be the judge of him? Quite the contrary, not only judge, but condemn him if you were on the jury that was presented with undeniable evidence such as pictures and other eyewitnesses.
Why do you think abortion is wrong? Is it wrong to point out to someone they are taking the life of an innocent human being?
Many people today view right and wrong as an opinion. You like chocolate, I like vanilla. Are you right and I’m wrong? Of course not. That is simply an opinion based on personal preferences, but morals are not based on personal preferences, nor are they based on popular opinion, such as “according to Oprah”. Morals transcend human judgement. Is it ever, under any circumstance, OK to torture babies for fun? Of course not, and we all understand that, and if anyone was to argue that point, would you allow them to baby sit your children?
We all judge, we all condemn, (as in the case of jurors) the behaviors of others. What if I was to kick in your door and steal your smart phone and other valuables? Would you say, “Go right ahead”? “I would never condemn anyone on their life choices…nor do I believe I should be the judge of anyone.” Do you see how silly this statement is? Yet many have bought into this line of thinking of not judging others which is sold at most of our universities. I have even seen Christians quote Matthew 7:1-2 telling others not to judge. Silly really, the Bible has a whole book titled Judges, and Jesus was not launching the age of relativism in that statement. Just read a couple verses down, He was talking about hypocritical judging. Matthew 7:3-5 And in John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge correctly, not by outward appearance.
Christians are accused of being intolerant and always judging others, but is it wrong to point out immoral behavior?
It is such a sensitive issue and there are so many arguments around pro life and pro choice I just don’t see any benefit in discussing the subject. I used to be a strong advocate for pro life and would cry for endless hours for these babies, but in growing and learning, I have discovered even more horrors man has committed.
Your statement about discovering more horrors man has committed is a red herring. In other words, what does the ‘other’ horrors man has committed have to do with the horror of 3,300 abortions taking place daily in the U.S.? Nothing. What does the tragedy of 911 have to do with the abortion issue? What does the slaughter at Sandy Hook Elementary school have to do with the abortion issue? Nothing. We are discussing the abortion issue, not other moral catastrophes committed by man. Pointing out or getting side tracked on other human failures does not address the moral dilemma.
I was pleased you allowed me to use your PM in my blog, despite your feeling we would not benefit from it. Thank you. More often than not, when I blog on a particular subject I feel I am the only one to benefit from it, having done the research and time for a thoughtful reply, all in an effort to persuade someone to my way of thinking. Small time blogger here with the number of subscribers around six, and four of those are my kids. I am just glad they are old enough to read.
There are times the benefits of discussing certain subjects are past. This is especially true if someone is completely closed off to hearing reasons or evidence from someone who wants to explain why they believe what they believe. As a Christian apologist, 1Peter 3:15 holds a special significance to me. I strive to have reasons for my belief in God, the deity of Christ, the resurrection, the offer of salvation, and many of the social issues we struggle to make sense of our world today.
I was never a strong advocate for pro-life. It was not a social issue that was on the top of my list, but in recent years it has moved up several notches. Not because I have moved into some greater moral maturity, but simply because the Lord has put it on my heart, as it was on yours at one time. Others have seen the arguments of both sides and come to a different conclusion.
man will do as they please, laws or not…I guess I try to see the issue as realistic as I can.
I would like to end this post with a brief argument for life that I would like you to consider. An argument that may help you see the issue realistically. An argument without scripture, but simply looking at the issue and the facts involved.
Size does not dictate value. I am about 6’2” tall, but my wife is only 5’3” tall. Just because I am larger does not make me more valuable. Neither is our kindergarten teacher, Mrs. Hall more valuable than any of the children she teaches. So the size of the unborn is unrelated to its worth. First trimester or last trimester is of no consequence. Value is not dictated by size.
Location does not dictate value. As I sit at the end of our kitchen table working on this post, my moving to the other side of the room does not have any relation to my significance. Moving 8 inches down the birth canal does nothing to change the worth of the child.
Development does not dictate value. My youngest just started high school and has not finished growing yet, but that does not relate to her value as a human being. A three year old girl who does not have a functional reproductive system is not less valuable than a woman who is twenty.
Dependency does not dictate value. If a two year old was to fall in a pool who would not rescue them? Just because they are dependent on others does not make them less valuable. The newborn are completely helpless and dependent, but are considered precious, and priceless to the parents and grandparents.
William Lane Craig poised two questions, (I will use one) we can ask ourselves concerning the unborn that may bring this into focus. “Is the developing fetus a human being?”3
When a little boy walks up behind his parent while they are doing the dishes and asks, “Mommy can I kill this?” the natural response is, “What is it?” If it was a cockroach, most would say yes. Those who value all life might say “No, take it outside.” But we all recognize that the answer to what it is determines our answer. From the moment of conception we have life, growing, changing, and developing.
Augustine said we should love people, not things. Once we determine what we are killing, there should be no question concerning the moral implications. Canadian abortionist Henry Morgentaler conceded, “If indeed there were a human being present from conception, then interfering with its growth or removing it from its human support system would be tantamount to killing a human being.”4
I have not discussed the issue of abortion in the case of incest or rape, but have done so in another post if you are inclined to read it.
Abortion is a sensitive issue, but those are often the most important ones to discuss publicly. No question discussions on Facebook can be heated, angry, and people unfriend others because of things said, but not discussing an issue because it is sensitive does not remove the sensitivity of it. It just becomes a boulder in the driveway that everyone is driving around and ignoring but doing nothing about. The arguments for pro-life when compared to pro-choice are remarkably better, but people in general have swallowed hook, line and sinker the slogan pro-choice because they don’t want to appear to be anti-women rights. They are afraid of being labeled intolerant or judgmental. Who are we to tell women what to do? Well, we tell women and men what to do all the time.
There are objective truths, and one is that abortion is wrong. It is taking the life of an innocent human being. Pointing that out to others is judgmental and possibly intolerant. That’s OK, because we should never be tolerant of those who take innocent human life.
1. “Abortion Facts” Abortion No. The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform. Abortionno.org n.d. Web. 18 March 2016
2. “What Can Happen to Me If I Don’t Report?” Do Right by Kids. Dorightbykids.org, n.d. Web. 18 March 2016
3. Craig, William L. Hard Questions Real Answers. Wheaton: Crossway, 2003. Print.
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